Dirt uncovered on Gestapo like blue jean ban principal...
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vetwife
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| Dirt uncovered on Gestapo like blue jean ban principal...
is about to tumble down around some folks.
Brown..meet Google and ...good luck on that
you wierdo ! What kind of person spits and curses
a child in front of people? Not anyone I want
my kid around !
Some free thinking
people showed up and the press spun
it in his favor until
till 2 this morning..not focusing
on the ban but the man.
It was figured that anyone who could
conjer up this much hoopla in a
sleepy town must have a past and
sure enough..He does.....Got a
reporter on standby and some
Concerned Citizens about to have
a show down because I told ya
this was not about dress codes within reason,
this was
about power, fascism and control,.and possibly a
dangerous mind.
When the dude spit and cursed the little girls, he
must have not been dressed for success.
The man claims he was a cop. People don't quit being
cops. Not without reason, still checking on
that info but verified all public info with
his last job as this person being one and the same
and now the School Board and Police
and everyone associated with this this type
of activity is about to get a wake up call.
I am not the only one leading the charge.
Right..Left..middle....students..parents.
I believe from what I have read this individual
is a loose cannon. Our kids lives may very well
be in danger. He is using fear mongering and examples are below.
Public comments from minutes at another school
far away from here verified today to be one and the
same person.
PUBLIC COMMENT
Mrs. Laurie Lewis and Mrs. Tammy Strickland voiced concern about an incident that
occurred at a high school basketball game involving Mr. Dennis Brown and the
cheerleaders.
A motion was made by Mr. Weaver to go into executive session for personnel issues. The
motion failed for lack of a second.
Mr. Cobb thanked Mrs. Lewis and Mrs. Strickland for coming and said the board would
take their comments under advisement.
Minutes from Hart County Board of Education
March 12,2007
HART COUNTY BOARD OF EDUCATION
REGULAR MEETING
MARCH 12, 2007
6:00 P. M.
Sex scandal hits Hart High School: Will state playoffs be affected?
By Pearce Adams
Posted March 7, 2007 at 8:58 p.m.
Hartwell, Ga. — On the eve of state championship competition, some of Hart County High School’s 8-AAA championship basketball players and cheerleaders could face school disciplinary action after police said they had sex in a Gordon County motel room.
Police became involved in the Friday-morning incident after a report of a rape by a 16-year-old cheerleader, said Thomas Petty, a detective with the Calhoun Police Department, which has jurisdiction.
Detective Petty, however, said Wednesday that criminal charges are not being pursued.
The decision was made after investigating a complaint about a 3 a.m. March 2 incident at the Comfort Inn in Calhoun. The complaint stated that a rape had occurred, involving a 17-year-old basketball player and a 16-year-old cheerleader. Hart’s basketball team and cheerleaders were staying at the motel during last week’s competition in Rome.
But there was no criminal conduct, just consensual sex, according to Detective Petty’s investigation.
Another basketball player and another cheerleader were reportedly in the room at the time of the reported rape.
“Probably more than that,” Detective Petty said when asked about a report that only one player was in the room.
But police only focused their investigation on the two in the rape complaint, he said.
All the students are at least 16 years old, above the legal age for sexual consent in Georgia, Hartwell Police Chief Cecil Reno said.
Hart County High School Principal Dennis Brown refused to comment on the specifics of the incident or identify the students, citing confidentiality in dealing with discipline.
“Nothing has been decided as far as the implementation of (school) policy,” he said on Tuesday. “But the policy will be applied” prior to Friday’s AAA semi-final championship game in Macon.
Efforts to reach the cheerleaders’ coach were not successful on Wednesday.
If Hart’s basketball team wins Friday’s game, it would play in the championship game, beginning at 8:45 p.m. Saturday. But additional school discipline could impact the team’s lineup.
He suspended a member of the team for the March 3 quarterfinal game against Druid Hills, which the Bulldogs won with a fourth-quarter comeback, 68-65.
“All the information we’ve gathered, we’ve handled it; we’ve handed out the discipline; we’re moving on,” Mr. Burch said on Tuesday. “I’m disappointed I even had to hand it out, but I felt like it was fair and in the best interest of the young man.
“We were going to suspend him for that one game. If we played again, I told him he would be back in good status.”
Mr. Burch said at the meeting he believed he had Mr. Brown’s support.
“In the other semi-final match for the AAA crown, East Hall High School plays West Laurens High School. The winners of the semi-final matches play for the state championship on Saturday.
Independent-Mail reporter Jonathan Kay contributed to this story
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Hartwell, Ga. — A lack of a second at Monday’s meeting of the Hart County Board of Education took complaints off the table about an alleged red-faced, spitting, cursing and crying principal.
Board member Ronnie Weaver had made a motion to enter into executive session to discuss personnel after two women made damaging comments about Hart County High School Principal Dennis Brown’s behavior at a Feb. 16 basketball game. No board member seconded the motion.
“I’ve never seen a professional act that way,” teacher and cheerleading coach Laurie Lewis said about Mr. Brown.
She was referring to the principal reportedly telling cheerleaders that they had no spirit, blaming them for a loss, calling them an embarrassment and cursing multiple times at them.
Cheerleader parent Tammy Strickland said Mr. Brown went from “red-faced and spitting to crying and apologizing” in about 20 minutes.
The women, speaking for about 10 combined minutes, complained Monday about Mr. Brown’s behavior at the February basketball tournament in Franklin County.
Hart County Superintendent Nancy Clark cautioned Ms. Lewis to watch what she said in front of the public, but Mr. Weaver asked her to continue, drawing applause from a standing room-only crowd.
Snippett from a number of combined news articles
regarding a kid who was falsely accused and Brown
used fear and paranoia to have the kid arrested.
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As a precaution, Brown had Justin taken to the police department in handcuffs. There, the young man said, he was interrogated and later put into a holding cell.
Around 2:30 p.m., he was released.
The chief and an investigator told me, ‘we searched your room’ and couldn’t find anything. They told me, ‘We owe you an apology; you are free to go. There are no charges.’”
Nice that the police apologized, but the school cannot.
That still did not take care of charges at school because a tribunal was planned within 10 days, and he could very well be expelled.
However, Brown said he and his staff had not had time to talk with the police until after Chief Cecil Reno and investigators talked to students and visited Justin’s home.
April 24, Brown said that, after he and other officials had time so talk about the situation, it was decided there is no evidence Justin did anything wrong.
No kidding.
Christian said she thinks Brown “handled this whole thing unjustly. It should have been handled on Wednesday.
It does raise a valid question. If the fears of the administrators were alerted on Wednesday, why not detain and search his stuff then?
Why encourage the boy to return the next day if you are worried he is a threat?
Publicity?
“I just hope this doesn’t happen any more to any other child down there,” Christian said.
And, she said she is unsure of how her grandson will be treated at school, “or if Brown is going to do what he said he is going to do. I’m feeling wary of Brown right now.
“We’re sending children to get an education and have someone they can look up to, and it’s not happening there,” Christian said.
She said Jones and Miller told her not to keep Justin home on Wednesday, but to let him come to school Thursday.
“They told him everything was ok,” she said.
Not so much.
“It’s unfortunate that, in the eyes of the community,” the student was guilty. “That’s not the case,” Brown said.
Justin dresses “differently,” wearing black T-shirts and baggy pants.
Justin said his shirts usually have logos of heavy metal bands from one specific label.
He wears a distinctive hair cut and a heavy chain he said his girl friend gave him.
“Justin marches to the beat of a different drummer,” Brown said, but, he added, “He’s not the only one that dresses differently.”
Brown said he has students who wear really baggy pants, or who wear cowboy hats, boots, and belts with big buckles.
Sure, we don’t worry bout the rappers or the rednecks, just the heavy metal kids.
Nother news source
Student will return to classes at HCHS
By Judy Salter
Editor
There will not be a tribunal for Justin Martin, 18. He isn't even suspended, even though he is spending the next few days at home and will be back at school on Monday.
After a harrowing few days in which he was accused of terroristic threats and writings, the teen is getting back on an even keel
But, says Hart County High School Principal Dennis Brown, "if the same situation happened today, I would take exactly the same steps."
More from another news source
of my life away for being bullied," Justin said.
The inappropriate writings were, apparently, lyrics Justin writes "when I get mad."
As a precaution, Brown had Justin taken to the police department in handcuffs. There, the young man said, he was interrogated and later put into a holding cell.
Around 2:30 p.m., he was released.
The chief and an investigator told me, 'we searched your room' and couldn't find anything. They told me, 'We owe you an apology; you are free to go. There are no charges.'"
That still did not take care of charges at school because a tribunal was planned within 10 days, and he could very well be expelled.
However, Brown said he and his staff had not had time to talk with the police until after Chief Cecil Reno and investigators talked to students and visited Justin's home.
April 24, Brown said that, after he and other officials had time so talk about the situation, it was decided there is no evidence Justin did anything wrong.
Christian said she thinks Brown "handled this whole thing unjustly. It should have been handled on Wednesday.
"I just hope this doesn't happen any more to any other child down there," Christian said.
And, she said she is unsure of how her grandson will be treated at school, "or if Brown is going to do what he said he is going to do. I'm feeling wary of Brown right now.
"We're sending children to get an education and have someone they can look up to, and it's not happening there," Christian said.
She said Jones and Miller told her not to keep Justin home on Wednesday, but to let him come to school Thursday.
"They told him everything was ok," she said.
Another News snippet:
"It's unfortunate that, in the eyes of the community," the student was guilty. "That's not the case," Brown said.
Justin dresses "differently," wearing black T-shirts and baggy pants.
Justin said his shirts usually have logos of heavy metal bands from one specific label.
He wears a distinctive hair cut and a heavy chain he said his girl friend gave him.
"Justin marches to the beat of a different drummer," Brown said, but, he added, "He's not the only one that dresses differently."
Brown said he has students who wear really baggy pants, or who wear cowboy hats, boots, and belts with big buckles.
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Now this cat tried to do the same thing to some kids in VR and
get them expelled. Some were pulled out before that happened. He has really crossed the line with some and the point I am making is I ran across a blog in
Seattle that was posting on all of thistwo years ago.
Now I find he is using the same scare tactics and
fear mongering in West Ga and has actually brought the
local PD in for Columbine swat training.
He is such a Fear Mongerer and loose cannon,
I would not be surprised if in the back of a delusional mind, just pondering here mind ya, not accusing to set
up a Columbine
situation to justify paranoia.
The Board needs accountability on putting a person
in charge who had a meltdown reported at their
last position and then gave notice to leave.
Look at this....Look ! Because I want everyone to look.
We do not pay taxes for education for this kind of
gestapo training in a place of learning.
Picture did not show up regarding Swat team in the halls of our high school via this power hungry, possibly delusional school administrator.
Police train for scenario they hope never comes
by Spencer Crawford/The Villa Rican
19 days ago | 87 views | 0 | 3 | | 

VRPD Officer Jean-Harold Astree reloads his air soft pistol during 'active-shooter' training last week at Villa Rica High School. (Photo by Thomas O'Connor/Times-Georgian)slideshow
Villa Rica police officials hope their will never be situation in which a gunman goes on a rampage in a local school or other public venue as has taken place in several places across the county in recent years, but they are preparing their officers for such an occurrence.
As many people were off from work and in the bosom of their family last week during the holidays, Villa Rica’s police officers were preparing for life and death situations in the hallways of Villa Rica High School as part of “active-shooter” training. The training is meant to prepare officers for an incident in which an armed gunman is loose in a public setting.
Principal Dennis Brown said he was more than willing to accommodate the VRPD with their training because as a former law enforcement officer and SWAT team member he sees the value in it. News link to the first incident in acounty at least 100 miles away where he was the Decider in chief of school. http://www.independentmail.com/news/2007/mar/12/hart-county-board-education-refuses-discuss-allega/
The swat drill
http://www.douglascountysentinel.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Shooter+Training+in+Villa+Rica%20&id=5356258-Shooter+Training+in+Villa+Rica&instance=west_http://www.douglascountysentinel.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Shooter+Training+in+Villa+Rica%20&id=5356258-Shooter+Training+in+Villa+Rica&instance=west_
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| 28 Jan 2010 - 02:39 | 26787 |
gcollins168
Joined: 27 Jan 2010
| I agree. Where is the blog for Seattle?
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| 28 Jan 2010 - 08:49 | 26863 |
vetwife
Joined: 13 Sep 2006
| It is called leaning straight up
and I will look for the link. Wierd part is that
the guy appears to be a conservative who writes the
blog but his friend's kid liked metal music.
Today was interesting.
This blog and about 300 parents showed up at school
with about 80 parents pushing hard with tweets and
info we found on this guy and email. 100 students were
sent home and the dress code has not even gone into effect. Helicopters flying over, news reporters everywhere local Atlanta TV and some really angry parents. I mean these people make me look pretty tame.
I personally sent out the links and got a huge cheerleader Mama who is outspoken and conservative to run this train. We know each other very well and that is why I said there is no division in politics on this..all the bunch protesting are non partisian.
It is getting really ugly and getting uglier.
Tea party people , liberal people, Black, White, poor,
well off, all calling this guy out. Strange thing to watch in a town where I thought I was about the only one to run my mouth. College kids taking a stand.
This guy has found out when you pull money out of pockets to push an agenda, in this economy and his past, won't work. I got him on camera saying kids could protest when I brought up Tinker vs Des Moine then two days later sends them home when they did. Ha...Gotta get that film at 11, just another thing they can rub his nose in.
The local rag..The Times Georgian is deleting the postings
and comments from the protestors. This I was told today.
So much for everyone having freedom of the right to opinion.
Only those in favor are showing up and now they are angry about that as well. I didn't bother. I knew that rag would not let people with opposing views have an opinion.
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vetwife
Joined: 13 Sep 2006
| Gonna Post my comment here since our rag
won't post dissenting comments.
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« vetwife wrote on Thursday, Jan 28 at 10:51 AM »
So why is the Times Georgian deleting the post of people in opposition to Brown and his past history at Hart HS and his apparent meltdown?
Freedom of the press for some, and this is being spun to Brown's favor. A few naysayers. Not true.
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| 29 Jan 2010 - 01:30 | 26877 |
aussidawg
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| Vetwife...
I sure do wish you worked for ABC, CBS, NBC, well...we all know the other "news channel" isn't a news channel at all.
Good work! The entire country needs more of you! Thank you for telling it as it is. Just think what would happen if the *REAL* reporters did the job you have. Why, we might even have something of a true republic!
Again...thanks!!!
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| 30 Jan 2010 - 12:21 | 26922 |
vetwife
Joined: 13 Sep 2006
| thanks Aussie
OK..Update.......approximately 300 kids were sent home
Wednesday,
and one child had a seizure in a
gym after being hit in the head with a basketball and little supervision. ( a lot goes on in that gym)they took their
time getting medical care
in there.
PE curriculum? Walk fifteen minutes if you want to or
sit on the bleachers. Oh and play a little basketball
if you want. WOW..that should send some
kids to the Olympics
Another breaking...Just
found out there are 2 slush funds.
One for taking up cell phones and selling back
to them for 5 bucks at the end of the day
and charging the faculty 2
dollars every Friday to wear their own jeans.
Found out also that chains are on gym doors while
coccupied (sounds like Lean on Me doesn't it?)
and bathroom doors are locked and require
faculty to open the doors to go pee or poop
Mr. Kojack want a be also has been reported
long ago to the Professional Standards Board
a looooooong time  ago and the Board lied about checking
this out. I know..I checked with the Director
of the Ga state of Schools yesterday. Another
complaint went in yesterday when I mentioned the
slush fund. Yep..getting interesting since one
Mama and some others plan to be at a meeting handing
out flyers of this guy and his history.
He pulled his pic off the website of him in a Harley
tee shirt and I suspect, feeling some heat right about
now. One board member has called for an investigation
I suspect out of fear becauce I too have called for
an investigation of everyone involved.
I wrote the chair and said that there are going to
be changes but it won't be about blue jeans and tee
shirts.
Sleepy little Town had news helicopters in the air
and kids were protesting and a brief little snip on
the news and almost nothing from the local rag.
Of course facebook members (parents) are posting
and texting the history of this loose cannon. I
continue to look into his past via public records
including POST..Police Office Standards..since he
claimed he was a cop and quit being a cop.
All the dirt on the board popping up.
Sorry Aussie....ABC has not called me but somehow
I managed to get to the top of the Educational
food chain and have a real good chat and got to
speak with one of the complainants of this
story back in 07.
My husband, I am concerned about. He is pretty
unhappy and can't stand a conservative agenda.Especially a
republican agenda rammed down people's throat.
Get this..A veteran, highly deocrated Army ranger
church going, conservative socially including being pro life but does not want Roe V Wade overtuned,
but respects other people's own viewpoints. even the right to burn the flag, and he is
about to get up in this guys meeting and call him out
on the rape cover up allegations and spitting and cursing
up in Hart county. He wants answers on why this guy is
even in a school system as a custodian much less
as a principal. He fought for what is left of a constitution or at least that is the only reason
he can justify his part in Vietnam is that he said
he believed it guaranteed us freedom of expression and
speech under the oath he took. The rest is a mystery
of why he was there. He does not approve of recruitment officers being there as well.
He is not shy but stays quite for long periods of time and some people actually walk softly when he pulls out his opinion in a rather commanding voice and basically they know I oppose things , they are shocked when
he takes a stand and it ususally is always like my opinion. He stand firm, he stands upright and he stands strong and knows how to push for an answer. He makes
Hardball look like pingpongball. God I love that man.
Now, he is a grownup!
He told our daughter to wear her gay pride rainbow colors
in support of free expression for her friends.
I still have to fight that handicap parking ticket
in March.
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| 30 Jan 2010 - 13:38 | 26924 |
mewkitty
Joined: 05 Sep 2006
| Vetwife, thanks for the update.
Lots going on, that's for sure. Vethusband sounds like a gem... anyone have a video camera to record the upcoming 'hardball' face-off? I'd like to see the look on this jerk-principal's face and the school board's sputtering. I wonder what it would take to get the national news to take notice.
Maybe the parking ticket people will realize you are psyched, ready for a fight, and they really don't want it to go any further.
Good luck!!
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| 30 Jan 2010 - 16:54 | 26926 |
johndamos
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
| What the Principal Brown is doing is supporting the new education paradigmn,
and he apparently deeply believes in it.
This is part of the Bennitt-Bush co. plan to create an underclass of "losers" that will be cannon fodder for the prisons or possibly for the military.
Here's how it works.
In middle schools, kids are evaluated and tracked into three primary groups by principals and counselors and teachers.
The first group is the well-to-do and petite bourgeois of the community. These kids are separated and put into advanced classes and can do little wrong during their middle school years.
The second group is for the worker-servant class. Less influential parents...and children of good working people with "christian" values that play sports and dress in Nike sports shirts and give a clean-cut, all American image. The coaches and others love and support these kids, and they join the military or police departments or become supervisors in retail businesses...bullying their way about and shoving people this way or that...usually with a community college education in some work-related or criminal justice profession.
The third and last group are the "losers." These are the folks like Justin...the rock-n-rollers, the artists, kids with feminine/butch appearances or the kids who are unable to afford to dress well or whose parents are from the underclass and have working class names like Lomax or Workman and other names...not particularly good looking...the fat boys and unattractive or fat girls. If a kid sees the system as it is, and they do, because kids are very perceptive, and questions it, all hell will come down upon him or her. If the kid has rebel tendencies and tries to relive his or her suffering by using drugs or by drinking, he or she is forever a target, and the principals are mandated with forcing them out of school. And this process is nothing short of psychological torture until they leave school at age 16.
A meeting is called by the principal or a lead teacher, and all of the kid's teachers are advised to make life hard on the kid until he or she "conforms." This usually means breaking the kid mentally into a depressed, psychological basket case whose self-worth is destroyed. This is done over a period of many weeks or months with constant watchfulness and daily criticism of the kid and everything he or she does by each teacher and counselor.
Most schools nowadays do not physically beat the kids, but they mentally destroy their self worth.
If the kid is not smart like Justin, he or she often leaves school angry without graduating...and our society has been taught that a person without a HS diploma is worthless.
(Note: Many folks with college degrees are loading trucks and are Wal-Mart greeters nowadays. I have three college degrees and I put my last kid through college with a chainsaw and log truck, buying and selling timber after I retired from teaching because I had reached an age limit, and no new jobs were available for an old worn out teacher. So the HS education criteria for low wage jobs is meaningless anymore, but it is used by our society nevertheless to keep people down.)
Now, back to the story. If the kid believes the degradation that is imposed on him or her, they might continue the "rebel" way and take drugs or use alcohol, and be unemployed after age 18. With little or no support from society, they soon become a prisoner just waiting to be incarcerated. This provides the massive law and order...crimial justice-police-lawyer-prison-prison contractor-political system with new fodder for its huge processes that employ millions in the US. Of course, this system is paid out of tax dollars and newly printed money and public debt.
So, Justin and Brown are actors on a stage and well-oiled machine that simply uses and processes people to keep a corrupt system operating for profits.
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| 30 Jan 2010 - 18:53 | 26933 |
vetwife
Joined: 13 Sep 2006
| I wish I could prove
what I suspect on this guy. I wish I knew how to prove
what I suspect. By the way, my suspicion meter is about
95 percent right. I have studied body language,voice
interpretation along with eye movement. Much of this
was required when on several jobs I have had and the rest was dealing with veterans and PTSD. Other 4 percent would be just old fashioned hunch. This man and
me talked one on one back in September and I concluded
then that he had a problem with women. Turns out
that has been proven via cheerleaders and woman coach.
There is an area of the community in the adjoining county that is know for its's activity of KKK and
White Supreme tactics.
There is also a group right here in town listed on the
Southern Poverty Law Center hate watch. Neo Nazi.
I suspect there is a whole lot more than we even know
to this guy's spare time.
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| 30 Jan 2010 - 23:51 | 26939 |
johndamos
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| You are probably right about the guy. These guys have connections to the
underground power structures.
I graduated just before the Vietnam War and was a quiet kid, and not much of an academic achiever at the time, and dad was a poorly educated, but hard working factory worker...and his politics was of the wrong party at the time.
I received my draft notice and was sent to Vietnam...away for two years. Absolutely none of the petite bourgeois kids I went to school with were drafted to go to Vietnam, and few of them graduated college either...many getting work related bullshit deferments etc.
After I began teaching, I discovered that the county school superintendent was also on the draft board, and that many of the kids of my social status were drafted for Vietnam while those with a little influence or family or political "pull," for various reasons escaped the draft and Vietnam.
These little systems operate behind the scenes shoving people about and using them for their own ends.
Let me tell you something I've discovered over the years. Nobody, and I mean nobody is without fault or without a skeleton or two in his or her closet. If the guy looks down his nose at women and girls, he might be a little girl lover...use and abuse them as sexual objects. I know of a principal who had to be promoted to county administration because he couldn't keep his hands off of the little girls...and the guy eventually was promoted to assistant superintendent, and retired with a nice paycheck for the rest of his life.
These systems are often corrupt to the core...keep investigating. Seek and you will find.
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| 31 Jan 2010 - 00:10 | 26940 |
johndamos
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
| Another suggestion...sorry to keep posting on this, but I too dislike these arrogant
school administrators and I'm a retired teacher. I've seen them hurt so many people...and most will mistreat a kid, but will run scared like the cowards they are when an adult like you or your husband comes at them.
Suggestion:
Get a friend, preferably a redneck appearing one, and dress him appropriately, and send the friend to where
Brown grew up. Friend can take an "aw shucks" redneck approach like he is one of the boys and poke around about Brown. Usually, people like Brown have a history from childhood on up, and somebody knows this history. If Brown is pissing people off now, he has done so in the past too.
I'll shut up now.
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| 01 Feb 2010 - 01:14 | 26957 |
vetwife
Joined: 13 Sep 2006
| thank you and than you for your service and welcome home !
I am not 10 miles from where he says he grew up and
I already got a bit on him. Now I did call the professional Director of the Entire State of Ga.
on Professional Standards. He stated there had been two
write ups on the guy before but good part is, he knows
my family..WELL and he doesn't know squat about this
guy.
He asked me to call the Chair person Directly and tell
him he said, for me to call him personally.
He also had a problem with a little slush fund I found out about. Provable.
We had rednecks opposing this guy but he is like more of a paramilitary type. We had a fellow in Overalls tell him straight up that this was ridiculous and this
guy didn't budge. My husband can get redneck if need be. I mean, you don't grow up in the swamps of Florida,
and not have a little redneck in you. He went to Nam
and came back with a real attitude. So.......I am getting nervous about the next meeting already. There is one native who plhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Villa-Rica-GA/Carroll-County-Watchdog/311716790860?ref=mfans on passing out flyers of what I posted here. She will too, I go to church with her. I know. 5 cops stay at the school full time now. Why?
Don't have a clue. I think he is a bit of a coward.
I did start this tonight.
Check it out..
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| 01 Feb 2010 - 11:57 | 26963 |
Android
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| John Damos, you are wrong
There is no coordinated system to put kids into the three classes you outlined.
You don't know crap about education. All you are doing is feeding vetwife's outrage in order to get undeserved praise.
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popetodd
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| Really Macho Guy?
Because I spent the first 8 years of my school life in what was called the "Gifted Student Program".
We were there because we scored exceptional scores on our IQ tests and showed quick progress in our studies.
We got the cool classes, we got the good science equipment and we went on the cool field trips.
I was there until one day I called bullshit on the teacher running it, after that I found myself in remedial classes that were far below my abilities. My parents and I complained about the "misplacement " of me in my classes and we were solidly ignored, my past academic achievements were never taken into account again for class assignment and my current achievements (usually meaning I did ALL of the assigned workbook in a week, got A's on all the paperwork I did for them and ace'd all the tests without prepping) were also ignored for the next 2 years. They continued to place me in remedial classes until I told them to take a flying fuck and left.
Sorry you weren't privy to such treatment Android, I guess you just didn't make the cut to start with eh?
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Laurel Marshall
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
| Smash the Petty Dictators or Just Walk Away; Go Over Them, Around Them
They think they have the corner on 'what's up, what's "right". Right. They're boring. B-O-R-I-N-G. This world abounds with Petty Dictators. In all walks of life. They require so much energy to deal with whatever. Too much energy. Just to have a conversation with them requires one to backtrack and/or stoop to their level of UN-GROWTH. There's really no 'conversating' with 'em. Their minds are already made up. They like to pull you down in the muck with them. They're miserable, but they love the company. And they 'think' they have some power. Yep, yep, yep. Let 'em think they have the control but then just go off in another direction and DO WHAT YOU WANT. Except it's hard to do if you're physically disabled, in a stupid school with stupid teachers and or teachers and administrators, arrested, forced by your doctor to take meds, married or hooked-up otherwise to a demanding person or family. Sometimes life can be very trying and sad. Get MAD. It's better. At least you might have a chance to grow. If you don't want to grow, just work on accepting the s*it they dish you. Sometimes however, there is growth in learning how to accept certain "seemingly impossible" situations that can't be changed. Hang in there. Don't give up.
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vetwife
Joined: 13 Sep 2006
| My problem
I never give up. I never give in...and I never forget.
That may very well become his problem as well.
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| 01 Feb 2010 - 22:28 | 26971 |
Android
Joined: 05 Sep 2006
| I don't buy it, popetodd
First, we all had our time suffering through the trials and tribulations of adolescence. Welcome to the human race and get over yourself.
Second, the weird "didn't make the cut to start" comment is more pitiful than insulting, but that is really irrelevant. What is relevant is that you are either lying or you are believing a self-made fantasy to justify your own bad decisions.
You are claiming that you went from the GT classes to remedial classes because you called out a teacher's bullshit? As a current teacher and former journalist who has covered hundreds of school board meetings, I doubt your story. If any administrator or teacher pulled my kid out of a gifted and talented course and placed him into remedial classes, without documented cause and/or professional diagnostics, would have a lawsuit and PR problem so bad that the superintendent would crap his pants before he went out to explain the school budget to the voters.
I'd entertain the idea that you might go from the GT classes to regular classes because of your behavior, or as you put it, calling an administrator out on his or her bullshit (and goodness knows we certainly love to tell the story of our life so that anything unpleasant is always someone else's fault), but it is ridiculous to think that you went from a full GT program to remedial classes.
Barring additional data, I doubt you were in a GT program, I doubt you called out an administrator for his supposed bullshit, and I doubt anyone placed you in remedial classes for allegedly calling the administrator out.
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| 01 Feb 2010 - 22:50 | 26973 |
popetodd
Joined: 24 Dec 2006
| I don't really care if you buy it Chef.
It was what it was, and I was smart enough to understand it for what it was at the time.
You on the other hand are an American teacher, that's not much of a recommendation intellectually speaking.
I've only met a handful of those that I consider above average, most were decidedly below average in most respects.
It's kind of a "I teach because I can't do" thing.
BTW - It's not worth the effort to lie to someone like you.
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Android
Joined: 05 Sep 2006
| "It's not worth the effort to lie to someone like you"
You mean folks who can see right through your lie?
I bet you do find that worthless. It's ever so much more rewarding to tell lies to folks who will believe you.
If you find most of the teachers you meet to be inferior to yourself, I suspect it is more of a character flaw than an accurate appraisal of any particular segment of the population. Teachers are like any other professional group. Most of them are bright-normal in IQ, college educated, and trying to do as best as they can in their career.
I've been in the private sector for years as an engineer, salesman, cook, dishwasher, photo-journalist, and in management. Fact is, when I left journalism, I had peaked my career in my region, ending as a chief editor and winner of a Freedom of Information Act award. I decided to become a teacher. You don't know diddly about what kind of people decide to be teachers.
It is not credible that someone would yank you from a GT program and place you in remedial schedule without a school board hearing at the very least. For something like that to happen, rather than a kid going to a regular curriculum from the GT program, there would have to be serious data to justify it, data that profoundly demonstrates the school misplaced a student of limited ability into the GT program.
Anyone with a lick of sense would take serious steps to keep a kid in a GT program. Even if you decided not to advocate for yourself, then your parents would have had the sense to challenge such a decision.
Nope. Two possibilities come to mind. Either you have knowingly told a lie, or you believe a myth about your own past.
It is still bullshit.
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Laurel Marshall
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
| Do I Have Your Number?
Popetodd, why don't you tell us why you are not a petty dictator. I hadn't thought of it before now, but I'm beginning to wonder about you at the moment. Come on, be honest with us.
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vetwife
Joined: 13 Sep 2006
| Android.
Is this the first step to the real fascist America
that people are gonna swallow. I see more and more
schools rolling over to fearmongering and that freedom of expression going out the door.
Seriously, what is with people wanting kids to
be educated and concentrate on that rather
than clothes. Who defines success? Who defines proper
attire? I could wear his proper attire to a
restuarant and get thrown out or another school and
get thrown out if they only allowed certain colors.
I did some research and this thing went into full
swing around 04 while we were invading Iraq.
As an educator I want you to tell me your observations.
If this were to curtail cost it might have merit but
it costs more and on top of that he even gets to
decide which kid can accompany someone to a prom.
Dictatorship on local levels first.
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| 02 Feb 2010 - 05:29 | 26997 |
MissMarple
Joined: 05 Sep 2006
| Some schools in California have gone to uniforms.
Everyone wears dark pants or skirts and light tops. That gets everyone past the whole gang thing, which is a big problem in many places. Girls get to wear pants too. In the old days, that wouldn't have been true. Most places let the kids wear running shoes, which would not have been permitted in the old days. I think blue jeans would be fine as part of a uniform, but that has been a problem in some schools, and districts want to have a uniform policy, to avoid discriminating against anyone.
But in a small district, where there isn't any gang problem, and there isn't a big discrepancy between rich and poor, a uniform is just nuts.
Uniforms are not always wrong; in many districts, that is the right answer, just not in your district. It is unfair of you judge other areas by the situation in your area. If your school was in the middle of two gang territories, you would look at the issue differently.
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| 02 Feb 2010 - 05:54 | 27000 |
johndamos
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
| Android, how many years did you teach? I taught K9-12 for 25 years,
having started a little later after working several years. I attended meetings with counselors who warned me that this or that kid was a troublemaker. I've had principals encourage me to discourage kids they didn't like. I've had school security officers come into my classrooms specifically to harass a particular kid they didn't like, and I've ran them out also. Usually, a teacher who cannot teach or hates teaching goes for his or her administrative degree and becomes a principal. They are paid by the head the number of kids in their school, and the thing they fear most is public disapproval of their school.
They will hide or do almost anything to cover up malfeasance...and some of these dudes are arrogant bullies who will bully a kid but will tuck their tail between their legs when a parent comes after them.
I must say one thing in their defense, and that is that the job itself corrupts them a lot. They have tremendous political pressure from above, and from the media, and from the public (especially if the sports team is not winning) and from the kids. Often, after they endure this pressure awhile, they begin slimeing and covering up what goes on, and take the easy ways out.
Sure, there are good school principals, but most good ones I've met were women, and one guy, but he lost out when a kid walked in his unlocked office and barged in on him with his pants down behind his cute guidance counselor with her skirt up and bent over his desk...that about did it for him.
Android, the tracking thing goes on and it is unstated in an outright fashion, but is slanted and mislabeled as helping the children improve their "self control" with "constant encouragement" which is essentially code for psychological torture until the kid conforms or breaks.
At least in the old days, the kid was beaten soundly with a paddle and was immediately forgiven for his or her offense, but this psychological torture can go on for months or even years.
I know, I got the kids after they had been through this process in middle school, and I was able to salvage some, but some were so filled with resentment that they were unsalvagable.
Popetodd is accurate about some teachers. Often, they enter teaching fresh out of college, and develop a weird sort of contempt for parents and even children, and their little world is filled with often rather meaningless academic pedagogy that means everything to them, and the kids are not seen as being more than numbered units that either perform in a prescribed fashion or they don't...and this is often the rule rather than the exception.
Seeing the kid as human requires involved, and some teachers don't want to put emotional energy into their jobs...so the kids become objects.
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| 02 Feb 2010 - 09:00 | 27008 |
popetodd
Joined: 24 Dec 2006
| Nope.
Quote Android:
You mean folks who can see right through your lie?
I mean people who aren't a threat to my safety or freedom (like a cop would be).
You are an low brow idiot Chef, face it.
I pity any child who has you as a teacher.
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| 02 Feb 2010 - 11:58 | 27012 |
Android
Joined: 05 Sep 2006
| 9 years as a teacher, 7th grade-college
I returned to education almost two years ago after seven years in journalism.
I promised myself I would not get into this much, but I see that I am about to break that promise.
I've taught at schools where the administration was awful, where there were bad teachers, where there were incompetent counselors, where there were vicious gangs and cruel cliques. It's awful at times. I've also seen communities gang up on a teacher or administrator who had done no harm except teach or require a child to behave better than a feral badger. Having reported on this type of action for the local newspaper, I can say it is vile to watch a community gang up on an innocent person. It is also awful to see a community remain silent about the incompetence that occurs in every district, which can and occasionally does occur at any level. Yet in every school/district I've worked, from the southern border of Texas to the northern border of Maine, there were mostly competent folks doing a very difficult job with too little funding.
Now vetwife, I know very little about the specifics of what you are facing. It seems you are unhappy that the principal will not allow kids to wear jeans. I agree it seems silly. Does it warrant the hue and cry I've observed through you, the framing of the principal as some sort of violent deviant, the rallying of the community as the school district moves into the budgeting season and determines the funding for your child's education? I don't know.
The consequences of what you are doing will impact far more than the clothes your kid wears, both positively and negatively.
As far as school uniforms, I think it depends on the individual school, but would not be too upset if it were a nationwide policy. The evidence is unclear about impacts on academics, but the evidence is very clear as far as the positive impact on classroom management and bullying. The most vulnerable kids benefit from school uniforms.
I think we all recognize that popetodd has little credibility. 'Nuff said on that.
But John Damos wrote, "A meeting is called by the principal or a lead teacher, and all of the kid's teachers are advised to make life hard on the kid until he or she "conforms." This usually means breaking the kid mentally into a depressed, psychological basket case whose self-worth is destroyed. This is done over a period of many weeks or months with constant watchfulness and daily criticism of the kid and everything he or she does by each teacher and counselor."
I have never, ever, ever attended a meeting like this. If I did, I would walk out and call child protective services and report the school for abuse. The vast majority of teachers I know would do the same thing.
He also wrote, "I know of a principal who had to be promoted to county administration because he couldn't keep his hands off of the little girls..."
If I knew an administrator was raping children, as John Damos described, I would report that as well, just as any average person would do. Only I would report it to the police. In fact, if the story you tell is true, then you should still report it.
That John Damos did not report this tells me that he was complicit with his silence in the sexual abuse of children, that he is only passing on rumors, or that the story is untrue. In any case, we should view his claim(s) with skepticism.
My main point is that history and research shows a conservative education practice supports a progressive culture and that a progressive education system leads to the fascism and ignorance we see today.
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| 02 Feb 2010 - 14:42 | 27013 |
johndamos
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
| Android, I can see that you were only dabbling with being a teacher and were
not in it for the long haul. You taught a few years and talked to the folks who were protecting the system that provided them with the food that fed their families, and you should expect that those folks are going to tell you what you want to hear.
Did you ever hear the phrase, "don't bite the hand that feeds you." Well that is a phrase that most teachers who want to reach retirement have to remember, and, so they keep their mouths shut...and so do administrators. After you have 15 years invested in a career, and your kids are getting ready for college, your high ideals about becoming a whistle blower are often shot to hell.
I know personally about the meetings and attended some meetings, and as I said, these were passed off as "helping" the kid conform to school standards. And a "give-em-hell" attitude often prevailed in teachers meetings.
When I first started teaching, I had my principal raise hell at me because I had not paddled a kid after a year. He told me to grab one up and paddle him. I refused, and he gave me hell until he and I faced off in a back room and I threatened to beat his ass, or either he could fire me or could leave me alone. Thankfully, he left me alone and we got along well until he left a year later.
I know of friends who lost their retirement because they could not abide with the tracking processes like I told about. One friend quit after 17 years because she finally refused to continue being a part of the middle school abuse processes. Now, she works as a clerk at a Goodwill Store. So, don't be too hard on teachers who don't become whistle blowers.
High School was not nearly as bad, but kids were "guided" into college preparatory, JROTC or Vocational Courses, etc. based on family, connections, sports proficiency, etc...and also on what some psychological evaluator had written in earlier grades.
I had two "Wille M" (expected to murder in their lifetimes)kid in my classes at the same time, and I was able to get along well with both of them. They only needed to be treated in a non-threatening, fair and consistent way.
Me, I hid in my classroom and tried not to make waves until my retirement was vested after 20 years, and then I became a bit of a rebel. You must know, that for teachers, the pay is often lousy until they get tenure and have been in the profession 15 years,and that having a meager retirement check during their later years is a real biggie for them. That is why they do not make waves, especially in communities where other employment for educated people is very meager.
Android, you get a little nasty toward others who don't see things like you do. Popetodd is an excellent critical thinker, and he is also a very good analyst on a variety of subjects, so don't be too hard on us. Much of what we write comes from hard knocks and experience. Believe what you will, but please dig a little further before discounting what I say or what Popetodd says, but I know you will choose to believe what you will.
I know that you think you have a good take on the public education systems, but I really don't think you were in the system long enough or really looked enough to see into the dark underbelly of what went on, and you admitted that you supported a conservative education...maybe like we have today with rote-memory-taught end-of-course-testing and "accountability" standards that are meant to distract from the fact that only a washed, dumbed-down, mediocre overview of general knowledge is memorized by students for their end-of-course tests...little or no analysis or reasoning, or critical thinking skills are being taught...part of our present conservative education paradigm.
You might have bought into the William Bennett idea that our schools were failing, when, in fact, they were producing a wealth of creative minds for our universities, and some good solid LIBERAL thinking. Bennett, a staunch conservative Republican, at the time, was invested heavily in private education, and he and several others set out to destroy public education and make it a "holding pen" for the poor and disenfranchised of society while the "superior" "haves" would be educated in private schools. Then, accountability standards were introduced in public schools partly to "save" public education, but then were hijacked by folks who wanted to destroy it, and it all turned into a means of dumbing down the public education processes for children who would be pressured into being non-thinking conformists...like the kids who were banned from wearing jeans.
So, good sir, you might discount what I write, but, I suggest you contact some other retired teachers and administrators, and you will discover that even the good ones have to go along with these systems in order to help the children in their charge.
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popetodd
Joined: 24 Dec 2006
| Well johndamos...
... he DOES have a reading comprehension problem after all.
In his first reply to me he makes it abundantly clear that he didn't understand most of what I wrote when he started accusing me of not doing what I had already said I did to correct the situation in my first post.
I am pretty sure he just skimmed it like he would his students papers and decided to respond in the manner he did because it conflicted with his personal ideal of reality.
Hence my complete dismissal of this typical "teacher" who thinks conservatism in school breeds liberal in life.
The "I was a journalist during the GW years" schtick doesn't lend much credibility either, just some chuckles and head shaking. Journalism has been a less then credible profession now in the US for at least the last 20 years.
To paraphrase an earlier quote: "I report because I don't understand".
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| 02 Feb 2010 - 22:32 | 27019 |
Android
Joined: 05 Sep 2006
| How does saving your job ever justify sexual abuse of children?
I'll repeat my initial evaluation, John Damos, you do not seem to know much about education, and the more you write, the more I become convinced nothing about you is as you claim.
You seem to be arguing from the "I know better because I've been doing it longer" strain of thought. But the evidence indicates you have not been a teacher. For example, your claim that you personally knew of an administrator that was sexually abusing children does not bear a close examination. Why? Beyond the fact that most persons who would be complicit in such a cover-up would probably not have the inner drive to even become teachers, there are issues of liability. As a teacher, if I knew an adult teacher was sexually abusing minor students and I did nothing about it, I would expose myself to litigation. Second, it is telling that you even consider saving your job as a valid justification to remain silent about child rape.
There is no justification for remaining silent, if the story is true. The conclusion is obvious.
Second, the data is profoundly obvious that our education system is not doing well. We are always at the low end of any independent evaluation compared to other industrialized nations. Academic achievements have been falling or remaining low for years. Any teacher you ask knows this is the case...except you.
The little episode you detailed about squaring off with a principal in the back room because he demanded you spank children is also far-fetched. It sounds like a bizarre fantasy and does nothing to add oomph to your claims. Barring additional data, your story is not credible, and it also casts doubts on all of your other claims about being a teacher or a veteran.
Like I said before, it sounds to me that you are telling stories to vetwife just to receive undeserved praise.
If your opinion of popetodd is legitimate and not just a couple of sockpuppets masturbating, then I would recommend you reconsider that opinion.
And popetodd, stop wasting our time.
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| 03 Feb 2010 - 04:13 | 27024 |
vetwife
Joined: 13 Sep 2006
| Android, the short answer is yes.
We do not have a gang problem. We do not really have
a discipline problem that could not be corrected with
teachers doing their jobs. This has little to do with
blue jeans when it gets right down to the meat of the matter. Did you read my links? The guy is a loose
cannon. I got pics of chains on the gym doors and locked bathrooms. This is a small rural town with poor people who have been laid off from mills. They go to
wear me again consignment shops. They buy clothes exclusively, at the consignment or Walmart or Dollar General. This place is poor. I would compare it as far as monetary, as any poor southern town in the south or the Appalachians.
No YMCA...NO YWCA...no skating rink...no bowling alley..
no two story buildings here, mostly pasture and a small town. One public library. Not all have internet and the few that do, the parents do not know how to use it.
No movie theatres, a lot of churches and a lot of jails.
No public pool, tennis court. Nothing for kids to be kids. No malhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Villa-Rica-GA/Carroll-County-Watchdog/311716790860?v=walll.
No place at all for the kids to hang out. Nada. One sports complex but not every kid is a oh boy football fan.
Nothing much but grass in a public park. The kids tried to have a small teenage club and nobody would let them ride their skateboards up there. Right next door to the cop station and even when they hung out at the skaters clothing place, cops jailed or ticketed them for loitering or trespassing.No sidewalks in subdidivisons.
This guy even wants to enforce his conformity to football games and anything that goes on, on school grounds. I had a substitue teacher tell me if she spoke at the town hall meeting tonight which was a farce, she would lose her job. He bullied the last
school he was at and he is bullying this school board.
Tonight he had his JR ROTC there and he submitted a statement that people could comment for 2 minutes and
he would answer no questions.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT UNIFORMS IN THIS AREA.
This is about freedoms being lost and one guy and one
school board who put the Footloose bunch to shame
and it they are manipulating these poor people. Every time an opposition was raised tonight, the sound system went out. People walked out. They know what is happening and feel powerless and yet they are being threatned and bullied while he smiles and lies.
I fear he is part of something bigger..seriously.
Ga is 50 ..lowest on the barrel for education and he
is worried about blue jeans and tee shirts and socks.
You don't lock bathrooms, tell kids to drop out or move if you don't like his rules. You don't have them detained for wearing a Heavy Metal Tee shirt. You don't tell kids they can't wear corn rows or dred locks.
You don't tell an honor student on the Governor's list for scholastic achievement to go somewhere else if he doesn't conform to his idea of decent dress. The kid wears a Boy scout uniform after school and nice non holy sagging but fitting jeans, a belt and a nice tee shirt that says stuff like Metallica on it. Or just plain colored. No sagging pants. Short hair..Just poor. This school could not even pass the NCLB test and
the bar was lowered for Ga.
This is not about clothes. This is about dictatorship starting in the red red bible belt for no reason.
By the way, they use corporal punishment here..Big time.
check this link out and tell me if you think the problem is with the kids. He is pitting poor against poorer. I have had 3 kids in that school and I don't even recognize
it anymore as far as any actual teaching and people who disagree with anything gets shut out. There are no kids
trying to outdress anyone. He has a huge ego and paramilitary stance and a little brain and probably little penis to go with that brain, which would explain this mentality of control freak. He told a friend of mine who is in the charge against him....since get this, there is no PE program except on paper, all they do is walk around the gym for 15 minutes .....for exercise, the girls could clean up after the boys who decided to play basketball for their PE class. This happened. The mother is outrage.
I started this several days ago and we are going to have to organize because there are more opposed than for and there is money making in here somewhere. He mentioned wanting to bring some stores to sell exclusively khaki and his idea of appropriate in the area. Yeah I got outrage but I am not alone.
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MissMarple
Joined: 05 Sep 2006
| I wonder if he has his money in one of stores with the khaki pants.
What stores is he talking about? Bet is isn't Sears.
Write a letter to ACLU in Atlanta. This is civil rights issue. There is no reason for there to be uniforms. The people can't afford them, and they aren't available in the places where residents can afford to buy. The principal is trying to set up a "company store" situation, for the only purpose of controlling the children and their parents. There is no other possible, lawful purpose.
We have discussed everything about this case. I think we know enough about this particular principal, and the way he operates, even if some of the people feel that vetwife is being unfair about how she feels about him. The actions of the Board and his actions are not right in this situation.
It is the unreasonableness of the action taken that is the problem. State action must be reasonable under the circumstances. According to vetwife, no such circumstances have been outlined by the Board or the principal. The action is arbitrary and capricious. The families have a right to be protected against such actions.
Try writing the ACLU about what is being foisted on the children in your school, and tell them what I said in these three paragraphs. They may or may not be interested, but it won't hurt to try.
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popetodd
Joined: 24 Dec 2006
| That's funny!
Quote Android:
And popetodd, stop wasting our time.
I was going to say the same to you!
Haven't heard you rant about how persecuted Catholics are this article, so perhaps I should be grateful for at least that much.
As for vetwifes observations:
I don't really think that fascism is going to come to your little burgh in the guise of school uniforms.
Considering the states standings on the educational ladder I would say it appears to be more a case of openly bad administration and the barely educated trying to run an educational system than anything else.
If this fool thinks that school uniforms are more important to the quality of education than perhaps paying for up to date materials and funding the science classes and then treats you parents as you say he does then it really is no more than a situation where an authoritarian moron with a degree (lots of those around, paper is not all that hard to get) who doesn't know dick about what he is doing. He's probably doing this because it is the most visible thing he can do and some parents will be duped into thinking it is helping.
That would leave him free to not do anything else to fix the problems that he is unable to identify for a bit.
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mewkitty
Joined: 05 Sep 2006
| Anyone have any connections to the national media?
I think that, besides Miss Marple's excellent suggestion to contact the ACLU, some national news outlet might like a juicy story about a town where the people are fighting the schools (the powerless fighting the powers that be).
We've got journalists here, you'd think someone would be able to make a phone call or two to some connection to bring this to light.
Are there any real investigative reporters on tv anymore?
I know I hate it when Omaha hits the national news for something some idiot did or is trying to do. The person is reviled. Let's get this asshole in the national spotlight, with all of his sordid history for all to see. Harder to do things when you're in the spotlight and everyone is watching.
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| 03 Feb 2010 - 15:42 | 27036 |
vetwife
Joined: 13 Sep 2006
| He actually said before he went mute
in the last meeting that he could set up some shops
and sell at cost !!!!!..Him !
That I am quite sure is on record of the minutes.
Daily Kos poster who called me on the phone the other
day told me that was about to happen because, it
happened in a few other places in Ga. He said, and I
did not know this poster, watch out, this guy is about
to bring in some uniform shops. He was right.
Many of us have called the press and they don't come.
He thought when he brought in the local Fox channel they
would really spin it to his side and they did to a point but even they knew there was a protest going on.
They didn't come back and were called out by the protestors for saying that only 50 kids were sent home.
100 plus were sent home Wednesday.
I called the ACLU last week and no one called back.
I called the NAACP last week and no one called back.
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| 03 Feb 2010 - 18:57 | 27040 |
vetwife
Joined: 13 Sep 2006
| omg
his memo to parents and students on the schoo web
http://villaricahigh.com/Portals/38/docs/Who.pdf
Sounds like he was an abused kid to me.
Spread the love Dude.
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| 03 Feb 2010 - 19:21 | 27041 |
popetodd
Joined: 24 Dec 2006
| Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick!
Catch it or eat it?!
Is that how he plans on treating his pupils?
Wonder how long before he puts up an octagonal cage in the playground and starts fighting kids to toughen em up!
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| 03 Feb 2010 - 19:52 | 27042 |
Android
Joined: 05 Sep 2006
| I did a search on Villa Rica High under news
There is nothing wrong with the principal's morality tale. What you see as child abuse, others see as training. Your opinion of his story is determined by your opinion of the man who wrote it.
I found four news articles about the situation.
Here is one.
http://www.times-georgian.com/view/full_story/5657655/article-Villa-Rica-principal%E2%80%99s-plan-for-new-dress-code-catches-some-flak-at-town-hall-meeting?instance=TG_home_story
You guys are getting plenty of coverage. Speaking from experience, no one thinks they get enough free press, no one likes the stories the reporters write about their issues, and everyone thinks the press is in the pocket of their opponent. Trust me when I say that if I had ever been in the pocket of someone when I was reporting, the pay really sucks. As a former full-timer/current freelancer, I know that this type of criticism goes with the territory.
The reason you don't see more coverage is because the story is already done. If you want more news coverage you have to have more story. Bring it to court and you'll get a story. Bring it up at a town meeting. Have a teacher walk-out and you will get coverage. "Parents Still Upset" is not a headline. Careful though. People showing up who agree with you will fool some into thinking that everyone agrees with them. For every bad tale you find about this principal, there exists a person with a positive tale.
As far as the ACLU or the NAACP not calling back, I think it's because the school is not violating any civil liberties. Minors do not have the right to wear what they want to school. There is a truckload of precedent that shows students have limited rights of expression. They have a right to express themselves, certainly, but it is not the same right you or I enjoy. And just like here, I'd bet you will find members of the ACLU and the NAACP that are on both sides of this issue.
I also found this link on fighting oppressive dress codes.
http://www.bmezine.com/news/legal/20050407.html
From my cursory glance at the material, a school has the right to make and enforce a dress code. Your issue seems to be that you don't like this particular dress code. The only way to actually battle it is to fight it based on a perceived oppressiveness (the financial burden of it comes to mind), voting supporters of the dress code off the board and voting people who agree with you onto the board.
One other thing to note, from my own experience watching folks fighting the system, personal attacks only work in elections. This is not an election.
When it comes to changing policy, personal attacks only force your opponent to dig in, making it more difficult to bring about a change.
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| 03 Feb 2010 - 20:31 | 27045 |
MissMarple
Joined: 05 Sep 2006
| Write the ACLU a letter of an email.
They will have something to look at that they don't have to call back until they are ready. They can think about it. You can think about what you are saying, before you send it. Don't forget to edit it. Don't ramble, but say everything, especially the Company Store stuff like you just told us.
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| 05 Feb 2010 - 20:16 | 27115 |
vetwife
Joined: 13 Sep 2006
| Well..we
had another sex coverup alledgely...
at that HS and the coach quit. That makes 4
Atlanta news channel confirmed to me no arrests were made and no one was charged.
That principal told me to my face back in September
it was his school. His kids.
Morality? Spitting on kids, cursing them..all girls
mind you is abuse.
He is a former cop and he now has his prison.
It is fascism plain and simple.
Maybe you should see what is happening all over America
and tell me it is not.
Especially the u tube with the cop beating a special needs
kid for not tucking in his shirt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRnASpA9m_M
http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/indiana/Hundreds_protest_dress_code
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV7VBx_xunI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0XC9PRGV7c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7baaeGA_wNs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oQbJ1mru6w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3jGb5DnL0s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX--6SONy-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2-SY7Q9_Yo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzjQ50KrpMc&feature=related
copy and paste and watch and be afraid...very afraid.
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| 10 Nov 2011 - 04:50 | 36310 |
hbmr1992
Joined: 09 Nov 2011
| about Justin
I know some of you say Justin's situation was handled..poorly. But I don't believe someone outside of the school would understand exactly what went down that day. But lucky me, I stumbled onto this page, and I just so happen to go to HCHS when this whole thing happened...But first let me say that Justin wasn't always so..different. He use to be really close friend's with my older brother. Then he moved away, and when he came back..he was one of the scariest kid's I've ever met. He would show up to the Relay for Life and literally terrorize children unless the police asked him to leave. He wasn't JUST some kid who listened to rock or heavy metal. He flashed around the fact that he worshiped Satan. He asked to be called Lucifer at one time. Hart County covered it all up. The day in class when that girl asked him if he would ever shoot up a school he laughed and shrugged his shoulders and said he kept a list of people he didn't like. and gave out names. Everyone was terrified to go to school because (rumor or not) word had been passed around that he would shoot up the school. The cops were there to escort him off of the property when he got off of the bus. As much as I despise Brown and most of the administration at HCHS, if he didn't take precaution, parents would have raised hell.
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| 10 Nov 2011 - 05:38 | 36311 |
vetwife
Joined: 13 Sep 2006
| Lookie ...He got Busted !!!!!!!!!
It took OVER a year but he got busted...
THE PRINCIPAL MOVED TO THE ADJOINING COUNTY AND GOT
BUSTED FOR HAVING SEX WITH A MINOR AND A STUDENT....
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| 10 Nov 2011 - 05:38 | 36312 |
vetwife
Joined: 13 Sep 2006
| Lookie ...He got Busted !!!!!!!!!
It took OVER a year but he got busted...
THE PRINCIPAL MOVED TO THE ADJOINING COUNTY AND GOT
BUSTED FOR HAVING SEX WITH A MINOR AND A STUDENT....
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| 11 Nov 2011 - 07:30 | 36315 |
MissMarple
Joined: 05 Sep 2006
| Vetwife: that is not a link.
Just paste in on, and we should be able to use it. Don't do anything fancy. Okay, now I want to share the good news! Get me that link, now!
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